Thursday, April 9, 2009

The End of Christian America...yeah right...

After seeing so many similar videos, you would think they'd loose their ability to piss me the fuck off.

But no, they always find away.

Hitchens and Blackwell on The End of Christian America:

Right off the back, what is up with this “The End of Christian America” crap? (If that’s not religious propaganda I don’t know what is.)

I also don’t like the way they don’t allot Hitchens and Blackwell the same amount of time.

Almost every time I watch one of these interview style debates (especially with Dawkins) they allow the religious side to talk all over the non religious. And then the pastor, or whatever fucktard they got that day, cries about not being allowed to speak uninterrupted for the entire time, as Blackwell does here.

It’s irritating to say the least.

It’s also sad to realize that we are never ever going to get over this debate that morality comes from religion.

Really, all a person has to do is take an Ancient Civilizations course to see that morality does NOT come from religion.

Some perceptions of morality, like treating women like property, yes. Basic ideas of right and wrong, including murder, no.

If morality was based on religion then it would be safe to assume that more religious areas would be more “moral.” But research has shown that simply isn’t true (the fact that Nazi Germany had more religious affiliation than any other country in Europe in the 1930s shows this perfectly).

Our most basic morality comes simply from self preservation.

People learned quickly that a good way to not get murdered was to not murder other people. Therefore, people willingly chose to give up some of their freedoms, i.e. the freedom to kill people, for protection of society (and we’re talking about 5,000 BCE here).

On the flip side, the desire to be treated fairly and respectfully lead to the avocation of rules that promoted fair and respectful treatment.

It’s not too complicated.

That’s not even taking humans social nature or their ability to feel apathy and love into consideration.

Even Thomas Jefferson said that religion wasn’t necessary to be moral.
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve the homage of reason rather than of blind-folded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.... If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you." -Thomas Jefferson, to Peter Carr, 10 Aug. 1787.

If there’s a supreme being then the idea of morality is void because it comes down to a series of rewards and punishments.

That’s not even taking into account the flip side of that assumption and looking at all the horrible things that religion has accepted as tolerable behavior (slavery, beating women, virgin obsession, gay bashing, and on and on).

What people also constantly fail to realize, is it doesn’t matter if the founding fathers were Christian. What matters is their unwavering championing of the idea that each person has the right to decide for him/herself.

We tend to talk about “faith” in this abstract poetic way, but it’s actually one of the biggest problems with religion.


Because we’ve allowed the idea that we can believe in whatever we like, with out any proof or logical thought, to become the norm.

When there is no required measure of logic in any set of beliefs, then they can be mutated into whatever the believer wants (like parents using prayer instead of medicine on their children or the idea that bombs will please god).

We live in a time where 66% of Americans think that “God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.”

I find that frightening because it means we've allowed this idea, that we can believe whatever we like without proof, to fundamentally change the way we look at reality.

Now, I’m not saying people shouldn’t be allowed to believe in whatever sky fairy or deity they like. All I’m saying is that we need to stop making excuses for religion and give it the same honest scrutiny we would give anything else.

Because if we can't even give proven scientific findings the weight they deserve, then the debate about the problems caused by religion is a fair one.

And should be taken completely seriously. Not with a giggle of disregard like the close minded Mr. Blackwell.

-Evolution vs. Creationism poll found here.

-And my thanks to Shakesville for sharing this video.


  1. why is it us brits fighting the secular corner!! lol

  2. I love Hitchens. He's kind of snobby but he definitely knows what he's talking about.


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