Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Blow Me North Dakota

The North Dakota house of representatives has just passed a bill to outlaw abortion.
The House voted 51-41 this afternoon to declare that a fertilized egg has all the rights of any person.

That means a fetus could not be legally aborted without the procedure being considered murder.

Minot Republican Dan Ruby has sponsored other bills banning abortion in previous legislative sessions - all of which failed. He also sponsored today's bill and says it is compatable with Roe versus Wade - the Supreme Court decision which legalized abortion.

Rep. Dan Ruby, "This is the exact language that's required by Roe vs. Wade. It stipulated that before a challenge can be made, we have to identify when life begins, and that's what this does."

I can’t believe we have to keep dancing this foolhardy dance. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this bill won’t actually become law,

Here's to hoping the ND state senate has a little common sense.


The idea of the court trying to dictate when life begins is just plain frightening and leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

Like, if a fetus has the legal rights of a person (and these start at conception), will an autopsy have to be performed after every miscarriage? When will the fetus be given a social security number? Can the fetus be claimed as a dependant on taxes?

What about the frozen embryos in IVF clinics? Do they get social security numbers as well and would infertility treatments even be offered anymore since there is such a high rate of miscarriage?

How much money is it going to cost to implement any of these retarded ideas (not counting all the forced childbirth bills)? Will any more money be put into the already overloaded and decaying foster care system? How much is it going to cost to pay for more police, lawyers, judges, D.A.’s, social workers, medical examiners, prison guards, and all the countless other people it would take handle the burden of criminal investigations, prosecutions, and prison sentences?

And who in the fuck is going to pay for all this?

That’s not even taking into account all the new hospital staff that will be needed to handle the burden of all these forced childbirths.

Also, if a fetus has legal rights then doesn’t it also have legal responsibility? If the fetus puts the mother’s life at risk, can the mother charge the fetus with reckless endangerment or attempted murder?

These questions are obviously sarcastic and ludicrous, but they still need to be considered when looking at a bill like this.


There is a great post about this here. Here is a snippet I loved:
Speaking of harm, what about miscarriages? If an embryo/fetus has full legal standing as a genuine/individual person, the its 'death' will need to be investigated via autopsy. When I miscarried, I started bleeding on a Wednesday. I went in for my ultrasound on Thursday where it was confirmed. I couldn't get into see my ob/gyn until very early Friday morning, which by then I had naturally passed everything (into the toilet). Should women who face the same situation straddle a bucket to bleed in? Keep her pads? Take the contents to the police? The contents of such will need to be investigated to make sure that there was no foul play involved, as again, an embryo/fetus is a full legal person whose death would warrant an investigation and, eventually, death certificate (which, btw, are not given for miscarriages now). How much more money will this cost? These ideas were submitted before the VA state legislature some time back, btw, if you recall. But also necessary if declaring embryos full-fledged people which you are doing.

I can’t help but find it interesting that some people think it’s wrong to give gay couples equal rights because of the “slippery slope” argument that some people might then want to marry animals, but are willing to give equal rights to a body of cells that are unable to make conscience decisions in the same breath.



  1. I cannot put into coherent words my thoughts on this. It makes me so, so angry. A lump of cells that may or may not make it to term has the same (and apparently more) rights than ME, a fully developed, living, breathing, functioning person? Bite me.

    Are women who have miscarriages going to be prosecuted and charged with murder? Ugh.

  2. Yeah, I live in ND, and I can guarantee you that nobody thought about this beyond the rabid desire to ban abortion. I often wonder if these same people put as much energy into preventing unwanted pregnancies how far the abortion rate would plummet. They're trying to solve what they consider to be a problem from the wrong end. Of course most of them are the same folks who believe that birth control is a sin, too. Those of us who live in the 21st century are doomed to be governed by those who live sometime before the 18th century (at least in North Dakota).

  3. If your pregnant and it is unwanted move to britian, the weathers crap but we will abort your pregnancy up to i think 22 weeks, i may be wrong by a week or two.

    Last year some people were trying to bring that down to around 13 weeks.

    Abortion is a very last option, but if the mother and father cant offer a child a fit and proper life why should they persue a pregnancy, or what if that child is in some way disabled? There are many reasons why abortion should not be made ilegal.

  4. Out of all the awesome reasons to move to Britain, an abortion isn't at the top of my list. lol

    It is very unlikely that this bill will become law, but even if it does all you would have to do is drive out of state. Obviously, this isn’t an option for most lower class people who don’t have the means available to do so and need easily accessible health care the most. Not like this would be the first time the poor get the shaft though.

    No matter what side of the argument you believe, I just can’t fathom how forcing a woman to have childbirth is constitutionally sound.

  5. It may not be the best reason to move here, but its a reason nonetheless.

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